I am growing a very small and potent type of psylocibin mushroom (Panaeolus Cyanescens) in brown rice cakes... The mycelium has been trying to colonize my jars for 60 days and it's not quite there yet... wondering if there's any way I can help them out...
Grains would be better to start pans out on. Then you prob need to spawn to straw, case then fruit.
Thank you dub 504, would you mind elaborating? "spawn to straw, case then fruit."
Pans are just a little more involved. Check this out. http://www.shroomery.org/34/Panaeolus-Cyanescens (http://www.shroomery.org/34/Panaeolus-Cyanescens)
Thanks so much dub, will definitely try that next time...
Now, question - if it's been 60 days and some jars are only halfway colonized, should I think that in 60 more days the entire jar will be colonized or is the pan's mycelium simply too fragile or too thin to fully colonize a vermiculite and brown rice jar? Is there anything I can do now to help the mycelium grow? I already have it at about 84 degrees Farenheit. Why must the entire jar be colonized before mushroom fruit can grow?
thanks again...
You might be better off colonizing at 80 deg. The myc creates heat when colonizing. If you don't fully colonize, something else will get a chance to eat that uncolonized food source and fuck things up for you. You might have trouble even getting fruits from those cakes. Pans do need a casing to fruit.
Should I perhaps be casing now? Could I send you some pictures...?
Case after fully colonized. Can you post pics here?
I'm having trouble uploading... "cannot access attachments upload path"
You have to copy in the IMG code from photobucket or imageshack etc.. You can't upload to this site.
Here are some examples of the most and least colonized jars I have after 60 days...
(http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae290/lointain/pans/Pan2.jpg)
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The most colonized jars have a light blue coloration where the mycelium is thickest... any ideas?
Perhaps the substrate has lost a bit of moisture after 60 days.
Andres,
They have definitely lost too much moisture,...... thus the bluing as well as the lack of progression in colonization.
You might try injecting a cc or two of sterile distilled water into the substrate with hopes of revitalizing the growth.
~Malabar :mellow:
Thank you dub and malabar, I will try injecting distilled water to the substrate and see what happens...
Malabar - some of my jars seem to be reaching full colonization, but what does the presence of bluingm mean?
Would casing them with perlite be fine? or would you suggest something else?
andres,
Sorry,.... My bad. The "bluingm" was a typo that escaped detection of the spelling checker, and these old eyes ,....... ( stick around for a few more years, and you'll get a pair! ) lol ^_^
VERMICULITE / PEAT , very basic,... very easy.
Malabar :mellow:
Don't case with perlite. verm/peat moss 50/50
So what is the bluing on the mycelium? is it dead or damaged mycelium mass??
andres,
The bluing on mycelium is a general indicator of either bruising, or lack of moisture.
You said you were thinking of injecting some sterile H2O into the mass,.... So the results were??
~Malabar :mellow:
I did inject the jars with distilled water and the growth sped up considerably. The bluing is still there, but it's a lighter blue... I'd say all jars are fully colonized now, maybe five out of six... I'm going to wait one more week and then case them... should I submerge them completely in water for an entire day before casing them?
andres,
Excellent news! ^_^ Unless you were going to fruit them as cakes, or in the jars, I would have thought you would be spawning to a larger media.
If you are going to case, I would suggest you crumble, and case. Then mist them well, and incubate in the dark for a few days before attempting to fruit.
GL
~Malabar :mellow:
I'm a first timer and so more than open to suggestions. In fact I'd love some advice. It sounds like you would fruit them as cakes or in the jars, whereas I thought casing was necessary with pans... Considering the first stage (colonization) has been rather problematic, what would you suggest is the safest way to fruit?
I think you should case them. I'm pretty certain pans need to be cased in order to fruit.
Do what dub said.
PW
I failed miserably - no fruiting at all. There's several things I may have done wrong... anybody know of a good simple idiot-proof tek for pans?
Next time start from grains then spawn to straw/castings, or straw/manure. Case that and you are on your way.
andres, maybe this would work better on a smaller scale for you. I'm sure you could substitute a different grain. http://forums.mycotopia.net/exotic-magic-mushroom-species-dung-lovers-pan-cyans/28675-panaeolus-tropicalis-panaeolus-cambodginiensis.html (http://forums.mycotopia.net/exotic-magic-mushroom-species-dung-lovers-pan-cyans/28675-panaeolus-tropicalis-panaeolus-cambodginiensis.html)
thanks so much for your advice dub, I hope to be posting some pics soon.