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Title: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 02, 2010, 08:43:43 AM
OK hi everybody....im nearly ready to begin my terrarium. today im gonna buy some perlite to put inside the terrarium and some pit moss to try to case ONE of my brf cake.

Any advice is welcome here you can see the picture of my terrarium
by the way it has 2 big hole as you can see because at the beginning it was thought like a glove box just to use it for inoculate the jars.
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 02, 2010, 08:51:22 AM
picz
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 02, 2010, 08:59:10 AM
the brf cake that i wanna try to case like dark side suggest me time ago , it seems to have stop the colonization i dont know why...

all the other jars are going well

now im posting the pic of the one that have stopped ( i think)
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 03, 2010, 12:33:21 PM
ANY SUGGESTION??

can i case the brf cake using like top layer some sterilized soil?
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: ImAFungi on December 03, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
Ive used peatmoss/verm and straight verm.
If you're a beginner you can always use
sterilized straight verm. Shroomery has some
nice straight verm teks.
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 04, 2010, 06:40:29 AM
ok so i have to avoid soil because it has nutrient elements inside it self?
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: ImAFungi on December 04, 2010, 07:52:43 PM
 Not sure, I've never used soil before. But I do
recall reading that its possible. Use the search function
 here and fungifun. You'll find something. Trust me the
search function is your best friend when starting out. :ph34r:
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 04, 2010, 08:40:33 PM
check these out...
http://www.shroomery.org/5219/What-different-casing-layer-ingredients-are-there
http://www.shroomery.org/5222/Casing-material-pH-and-why-it-is-important
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: ImAFungi on December 04, 2010, 09:55:45 PM
by here and fungifun, I meant here and shroomery.
See darksyde already found some ^_^.
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 05, 2010, 09:41:48 AM
thanks very helpfull , ! i will buy iy from ebay i think...cant found it here.

anyway 4 of my 6 jars are completly colonized (i think) also on the top is growing some extra micelyum on the layer of dty vermiculite.

on shroomery they suggest to keep the cake inside the jars until you dont see pinning head..
for now i just took em off from the radiotor.
how should i move?
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 07, 2010, 09:47:40 PM
anti-babylon,

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thanks very helpfull , ! i will buy iy from ebay i think...cant found it here.

What are you going to buy from ebay?  Soil?  You dont have any garden shops or plant nurseries nearby?

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anyway 4 of my 6 jars are completly colonized (i think) also on the top is growing some extra micelyum on the layer of dty vermiculite.

You will know they are ready if they are all white.. If not, take another pic.  I can tell you if they are fully colonized if I can see them.

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on shroomery they suggest to keep the cake inside the jars until you dont see pinning head..


After the cakes are fully colonized, its good to let them go another week before you dunk&roll or crumble&case.

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for now i just took em off from the radiotor.
how should i move?

You need to have your verm and your soil to go any further if you want to case them.  When you have everything I can send you a Tek-link to walk you through the steps..   
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 08, 2010, 04:55:21 AM
hi darkside,

no i was refering to the peat moss that i cant find in the garden center.
i think i will case with soil, absume to the shroomery guide you can but you have to correct the ph of the soil. with some limestone

any way i will post photo of the cakes that i don't understand if are fully colonized ; they also stop colonizing so i dont know what to do

here are the pics
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 08, 2010, 04:59:36 AM
in the first pic i can clearly see that is has stopped to grow the micelium and there is a fuzzy area that is uncovered.

in the second pic is just a little spot that it seems to stop but is so small i don't think it will give me problem

the third photo = the normal brf cakes completely colonized.
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 08, 2010, 08:51:42 AM
anti-babylon,

Those all look fine and are ready to go.  Those spots where there is minimal growth are due to either lack of moisture, or lack of gas exchange.  No signs of contams so lets get them crumbled and cased..

As for the limestone, crushed oyster shell is another option.  You just want whichever you use to be a fine powder and mixed in well with the soil, and it doesnt take much.

I purchased a bag of oyster shell when I started, trying to do everything "by the book" but I never use it anymore and cant tell a difference with or without it.
 
My instincts want me to tell you not to bother with spending the money, and that you will do just fine with the soil/verm on its own.  Since Ive never worked with soil, and Im not an expert on ph and its effects on shrooms I guess I will leave it up to you as its your money and your project, but I really think you would still have success without the powders.

Looks like you have enough to fit nicely into a 4" x 8" tin loaf pan.
In a large bowl, mix 1 1/2 cups of soil with 1 cup of verm.  Add a couple tblsp's of water and mix well so its all moist.
Place the mix into a baking pan, cover with foil and put in the oven at 200 degrees for an hour to pasteurize.

After it has cooled to room temps, evenly sprinkle a 1/4" layer of casing on the bottom of your tin pan, crumble your colonized sub into the pan trying to form an even or flat layer on top, then sprinkle on another 1/4" layer of casing.
Give it a good mist with a spray bottle, cover with foil, and put it back into your incubation chamber for 2 days before you check on it.

After 2 days take the foil off and snap a pic to show me then we can go from there..
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 08, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
thank man for advice
 but wait :

i think im gonna case only one or two brf cake...the one that have really stop colonizing (see upper photo) and the one with the leak of moist .

Do you think that the aluminium tray that i have shooted is going ok for two of those cake?

the other i just want to dunk and roll so i can confront the two method of fruiting, and also becouse i want to have some shrooms to test...i dont want to fail casing!  :ph34r:
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 08, 2010, 10:51:28 AM
That aluminum tray would be fine.. I would do 3 jars in the casing and try 2 with the dunk&roll.. You want to have a deeper substrate when casing. Deeper = larger shrooms under ideal conditions.
It would be a good idea to get some more going too.. Try to stagger your grows so you have different projects at different stages at any given time.  This way you're not starting over from scratch and waiting on the entire process from the beginning if things dont work out how you plan..
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 08, 2010, 12:19:33 PM
I tried to fill up the tray with two glass of water and it was nearly full so i will go for crumble two jar into it.

For the matter of have another process going on , i want to try to clone one of the fungy that will come up ( if will come up) from the cake or the case.

I've seen a video where a guy take a cut of  a central part of a fresh body fungy and then put it in a petrey dish just to save the strain.
it will work if i try the same thing but put the cut into a RICE JAR?

much tanks for helping
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 08, 2010, 12:24:48 PM
Your best bet would be to take your best looking shroom from your flush and use this cloning tek to make an LC (Liquid Culture)
After the LC is finished colonizing, you can make more LC's from the master and use those to noc up more jars.. Give this a read:  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5874305
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 09, 2010, 02:00:53 PM
wow thats look really simple and effective !

thanks !

the next upgrade it will be with 4 brf cakes and one casing with 2 brf cakes and soil
hope that will work fine...
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 15, 2010, 12:08:34 PM
hey guys!
i start to see some pin heads!!
 :ph34r:

do i have to dunk and roll aniway??
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 15, 2010, 12:58:32 PM
You should have dunk&rolled when you birthed the cakes.. Or do you mean they are pinning inside the jars?
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 15, 2010, 02:02:33 PM
they are pinning inside the jar ..but they have just started, are very small now
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: ImAFungi on December 15, 2010, 11:57:24 PM
pull the pin, dunk n roll, and fruit that sucka.
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 16, 2010, 03:10:55 AM
whats sucka....?
so i have to remove pin?
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 16, 2010, 07:39:08 AM
Ha ha.. Sucka is just American slang.  In this case it is referring to your cake..  :mellow:

If you have multiple pins, you can dunk without pulling them off.  Or you could just put the cakes in your FC and wait til after your 1st flush is done and then dunk&roll.. up to you
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 16, 2010, 11:31:43 AM
ok..

so im wondering if i should brake the brf cake ( the two that i want to case ) or just let it normal...remember that one have stop colonized at half of the process
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 16, 2010, 01:20:33 PM
guys i have  aproblem.....i have buy an igrometer for misuring humidity and I m not managin to have more than 80% of humidity inside my FC (see my first photo in the post) i also closed with some plastic seal the 2 holes that you can see in the photo...

80% is good or i have to have more umidity?

Also i have to sayd that i havent used perlite for ground (becouse is so hard to find here) i have used expanded clay and filled the bottom with 1 and a half CM of water....
dont know what to do more for rising humidity....

help! i need to BIRTH !
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 16, 2010, 01:25:54 PM
80% is no good.. That looks like a glove box, not a FC.. Those holes are way too big!!
Check out this link for a new FC..

http://www.shroomery.org/9047/Poor-Mans-Pod
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 16, 2010, 02:35:44 PM
i know man..that f....hole!!

i have closed them with some plastic foil and scoth and now (just testing before birthing) im around 88% and 25.8 of temperature...
it seems that  put it on the radiotor it increase humidity , but i have to watch out not to ecxede 26...
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 16, 2010, 02:40:35 PM
80% is no good.. That looks like a glove box, not a FC.. Those holes are way too big!!
Check out this link for a new FC..

http://www.shroomery.org/9047/Poor-Mans-Pod


i have see the post already but i dont have time, and space for that kind of stuff
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 17, 2010, 02:18:22 AM
update :

iv gott 99% of himidity today im gona dunk and roll!
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 19, 2010, 09:35:51 AM
i have dunk and roll and birth...evryting ok but the two pin head that was already there now it seems like if theyr stuck

i have 99% umidity and my temperature oscillate beetween 18 and 26 celsius
is that allright like conditions?
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 19, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
Sounds good..  Just a waiting game now  :mellow:
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 20, 2010, 03:26:26 AM
dont know man...it seems like at 25-26 micelium continue to grow, also my first pin head have aborted spontaeously...i think i will try to put one cake in the fridge for one night and see what happend with a strong cold shock.

by the way (the casing is going good) i will post some photo soon
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 20, 2010, 03:41:57 AM
i forgot to ask...is 17 -18 celsius Too low for beggining pinnig on m cake?
thanks
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 20, 2010, 08:10:12 AM
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dont know man...it seems like at 25-26 micelium continue to grow

 ?? :huh: ??

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i think i will try to put one cake in the fridge for one night and see what happend with a strong cold shock.

Just relax and wait before you do anything extreme.  If those 2 pins aborted then pull em off, and wait for the cake to flush again.  No need to put it in the fridge!!

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i forgot to ask...is 17 -18 celsius Too low for beggining pinnig on m cake?

Its not too low, but they will take longer to form, and will grow much slower at those temps.  Would be alot better if you could get em up to 21 - 23
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 20, 2010, 10:26:28 AM
ok thanks for helping now im stable at 21 and 99% umidity ,
and im gonna take out the aborted pin (they have black caps)

but other two cake seem to dont have even on pin ... :( thats why i wanna try to fridge at least one..just for curiosity and experience. Or you think im gonna kill it?
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 20, 2010, 11:35:30 AM
Patience!!

What good is it going to do to put a freshly dunked, moist cake into a fridge full of contams??
These are tropical mushrooms and dont gain anything by cold shocking..

All I can do is offer advice. Im not out to ruin your project, only help where I can with what I know.. Ultimately its your grow and you can do whatever you want, but you are making things harder than they need to be..
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: ImAFungi on December 20, 2010, 12:47:56 PM
Listen to darksyde.
Patience is the name of the game.
Just let them sit for awhile. :ph34r:

And yes by suckas I meant your cakes. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 20, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
yes sir yes!
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 21, 2010, 08:36:48 AM
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Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 21, 2010, 08:39:30 AM
sorry the photo is too big.....any way that is my situation....only one cake pinning.....and the other??

did im doing right by moist all the cake directly with a water spray?
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 21, 2010, 11:03:39 AM
Congrats!!  :ph34r:

Yes, a light misting is good 2-3 times a day until they start pinning, then let them be.  You dont want to soak them though.. Dont empty your spray bottle on em..

Just give those other cakes a few days and see what happens   :mellow:
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 22, 2010, 03:36:55 AM
thanks man ....but just one cake one 4 ...WTF!??

and by the way why my shrooms seems so fuckd up? all bended?  -_-

any way i have notice that giving straight black at night (covering with a lid all the fruit chamber the mushroom seem to get bigger , now they look 3 time it .


the casing is gooing good also darkside , im hoping on that...!
i already patch it becouse one point was going too fast then other...and now i have to wait that seem all to the sema point right? and then put it in the fruit chamber
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 22, 2010, 08:13:33 AM
Dont give up on the others just yet.. Ive had 2 different trays from the same syringe that pinned 5 days apart.
As for bent shrooms, they always do that with cakes.. Not to worry though, they still work no matter how ugly they are  :wacko:

Yes, patching the casing was right.. You just want the myc to be evenly visible throughout the casing layer..

This pic was before patching:
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab169/darksyde_2009/004-1.jpg)

This was after:
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab169/darksyde_2009/005-1-1.jpg)


This was 2 days later, and what you want it to look like:

(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab169/darksyde_2009/003-3.jpg)
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 22, 2010, 11:24:44 AM
check this out

Wats wrong with that guy in the left?!?
it seems to be 2 in one....ore one with some ilness

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Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 22, 2010, 11:36:11 AM
Just a mutation.. Its genetic, but its still ok to eat.. Just looks funky  :mellow:
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: dub504 on December 22, 2010, 03:53:06 PM
How are you doing air exchange? More FAE may help a bit...
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 23, 2010, 02:56:45 AM
what is fae?

anyway im doing manual by opening and make some air exchange...

this morning i opened the box and i see that the mush room are very very long i think too much......i will post a photo.
the stems are too long if compare to the cap! maybe is the equadorian strain?..
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 23, 2010, 06:35:00 AM
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/6339/img5767fa.jpg) (http://img600.imageshack.us/i/img5767fa.jpg/)
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 23, 2010, 07:45:30 AM
FAE = Fresh Air Exchange
The shrooms being long and thin could be due to genetics also, but lack of FAE is known to cause poor growth as well.
Just make sure you're fanning 2-3 times a day
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: dub504 on December 23, 2010, 09:41:39 AM
To me it looks too wet and not enough FAE. When the mushrooms grow they use oxygen and create carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is heavier than oxygen so it will settle on the bottom of the FC, where the mushrooms are growing. That's why the mushrooms are long and skinny. Make sure when you fan that you really stir up the air in the bottom of the FC. The standing water is not necessary and being too wet can cause aborts. Is that lava rock in your FC? Lava rock/perlite/hydroton should be moist and drained. That way it will evaporate properly and humidify the terrarium.

 Also, that type of hydrometer will not be accurate enough to tell you what your humidity truly is. You should look for a hydrometer made for reptile terrariums. They make them analog or digital. I have a digital one made by Fluker's. The in home ones like you have there will crap out pretty quick.
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 23, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
thanks... your right my igormeter sucks...
but for now i will use that....i notice that is accurate on the humidity but not on temperature (it only refresh himself like one time every 2 hour, otherwise i have to click refresh...)

anyway my situation now is this :
i have drained all the excess water (i had something like 3 /4 cm in the FC)
and im fanning 3/4 times a day.

now : i have to understand how much is important light for mushroom .
on shroomery they said that 2 hour is enough and much hour will kill them??!

i had notice that when i close the lid (so complete dark) they grow much more....also because at night o have the room light on so is other light more...

but i dont know...maybe you can tell me!
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: dub504 on December 23, 2010, 03:03:13 PM
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thanks... your right my igormeter sucks...
but for now i will use that....i notice that is accurate on the humidity but not on temperature (it only refresh himself like one time every 2 hour, otherwise i have to click refresh...)
No, sorry...  -_-  A hydrometer like that won't work and you are not getting a correct reading. Trust me. I've been there done that.

Light is only important to trigger pinning and direction of the mushrooms to grow. In nature when the mycellium reaches the surface, light triggers pinning, then mushrooms grow towards the light. Think about it. These fruits grow outdoors fine with more than two hours of light a day. It's not going to kill them and it isn't necessary either. I've gotten cakes to pin and fruit just fine using one small L.E.D. bulb 15 min a day, but I've kept them on in the past for twelve hours with no problems. Studies say this particular type of mushroom responds better to light in the blue temperature frequency range but any light type will work. Some have used Christmas lights, with success. I like CFLs and LEDs because they don't create much heat.
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 23, 2010, 06:28:13 PM
ahahah! christmas light! take a photo man ! you should win the photo contest!
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: moorhS on December 27, 2010, 09:33:58 AM
I would recommend if you are going to get a hydrometer to get a digital Flukers  you can get online for 15-20 $  In the past I spent shit tons of money looking for a good humidity gauge.... my 2 cents
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 28, 2010, 09:55:22 AM
this is my situation....a lot better from when i haved pour out the excess of water..
only thing is that casing is taking long to pin its like from 4 days in the FC and still nothing



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Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: darksyde on December 28, 2010, 11:20:19 AM
4 days and nothing???  :huh:

Of all the grows Ive done, I think Ive had 3 or 4 casings that pinned in 4-5 days.. Ive had some take 15 days.. Just relax and give it some time bro!
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: dub504 on December 28, 2010, 03:18:22 PM
The cakes look much more healthy!
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on December 30, 2010, 08:37:54 AM
yes man! the cake look more healty by in these day it seeems always too much humidity....when caps open they are full of water inside and it seems like also some caps are becoming shitty for this...

any way something is starting to pin inside the casing!

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Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: fungiguy on January 01, 2011, 07:44:53 AM
How many days did you leave your casing in the incubator? Maybe not long enough?? This "hobby" requires much patience. Those cakes look fine for the 1st flush. They will be better now that your fc is stable.
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: anti-babylon on January 01, 2011, 09:36:19 AM
hi , happy new year guys! :rolleyes:
i have leave it in the incubator for about one week and a half....but now they are beccoming to grow! so its ok!

the only thing i have to boy another hygromether becosue the one that i have its fuckd up...from humidity i think....so i need it new...do you guys have some LINK TO EBAY TO SUGGEST ?
maybe some hygrometers that you have already test..and also from europe! becouse shipment money otherwise will be much higher than the price of the hygrometer..
 
thats becouse here you can find only chinese stuff that really sucks...

anyway its normal that caps of shroom are full of water and drip down?
Title: Re: anti babylon...set...raedy..go!! (with pics)
Post by: dub504 on January 02, 2011, 11:12:16 AM
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anyway its normal that caps of shroom are full of water and drip down?
No.
Just look for a hydrometer that is made for reptile terrariums...