Dirk,Thanks for the input on when to birth. I wanted to let you know that my cakes are doing fine.I am doing as you recommended.I read about letting them pin in the jars but so far that has never happened no matter how long I wait.As soon as the jar is colonized it goes in the fruiting chamber.I then see shrooms usually within 2 weeks,the earliest being 1 week.Just wanted to let you know.I guess this strain is tough because I probably did enough things wrong to ruin my whole effort.Maybe it is beginners luck.THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP>