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Title: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on December 01, 2009, 09:32:39 PM
Hey guys so i am moving out of my house, and moving into a new one so i am getting my jars ready now i am using rye grain, so i can be ready to case when i move in to my new place. I wanted to know what some good Bulk recipes with straw and poo, i know there are so many to create and follow, but i just wanted to see what would be the best for these strains (B+, TAZ, and Pes Hawian). I probably only one do one bulk since it will be my first time. I saw Dubs BULk in the Nov. contest pic of the month and that looked like it worked pretty well for you.. 
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on December 02, 2009, 09:01:08 AM
More than I know what to do w/ them! You want to get at least 4" of substrate.  I just kind of eyeballed 50/50 straw/worm castings and some verm in an old pillow case. Soaked overnight in water w/ hydrated lime. Pasteurized @ 170 for 1:15, drained and cooled. Layered grains and straw mix let colonize. Case, let it be for four days. Put in FC
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on December 02, 2009, 11:15:47 AM
WOuld it be the same ratio with dung/straw and also i am sure you can get worm castings from any garden store?????
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on December 02, 2009, 01:01:46 PM
Yeah, the ratio should be the same. It's all just food anyways. You could just use straw if you wanted to. I prefer castings to dung. Castings don't stink! If you do use poo make sure it is the dried stuff. You don't want fresh, it's really acidic and then you have to do extra steps w/ it like soak in bleach... Castings are pretty available, I happened to find mine at a hydro store.
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Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on December 02, 2009, 05:22:09 PM
Also i am doing lava rocks with a 30 gal fc and 30 gal whisper air pump. SInce the air pump is running 24/7 do i still need FAE. and Only mist between flushes like usually??
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on December 02, 2009, 07:37:41 PM
You should be fine to rock like that.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on December 03, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
ALso how much did you yeild off all that cause i plan on doing maybe my (GT's, B+, and pes Hawiian) with that method castings/straw??
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on December 04, 2009, 03:15:50 AM
80 or a little over grams dry. The second flush is looking healthy as well.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on December 04, 2009, 10:07:19 AM
Right on man :ph34r: i wanna go a little bigger not to much cause i dont want my guys not getting enough room to get nice and tall.. What are the dimesions of your casing box???
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on December 04, 2009, 11:07:39 AM
I think it's a dish tub. I found it at the Wal. Red, plastic Sterilite 12 Qt. 6" deep, 11" wide, and 14" long
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on January 11, 2010, 09:35:51 PM
and when you colonized your substrate, did you use a bag or did you just crumble pieces of rye grain with your hay/castings and let it colonize in your casing????????
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on January 12, 2010, 02:37:15 AM
On that particular tub, I crumbled and layered colonized Br. Rice/Millet and Straw/Castings. I think I had a little Flax seed in there too. It would work fine to mix it all up by hand too in your tub. I did this w/ no use of a glove box etc. as the colonized grains and pasteurized straw don't contaminate easily. After this mix is fully colonized, You put a layer of casing on top let that colonized for a few days and put in FC. :ph34r:

Nice, I noticed you mentioned hay in your last post. Don't use hay, use straw.
GL
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on January 12, 2010, 06:18:39 PM
My bad i meant straw well wheat straw is what i have a whole bundle... ANd i am using quarter oz mason jars do you think one whole jar willl be enough for the subtrate???
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on January 12, 2010, 06:48:06 PM
Just making sure on the straw thing. :mellow:
I guess it depends how much you are spawning to. The more spawn the faster it will colonize. A couple of Qts will get things going nicely!
One more thing. Compress the substrate so there are no pockets of air (where water will pool inside) and lay foil or plastic directly over the substrate during the spawn run so it doesn't dry out or get puddles.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on January 12, 2010, 07:52:46 PM
ok thanks man so i am guessing cover with plastic then put a book on top or something to compress it.. And when you pasturize straw/castings in my pc should it be strained after just like with casing material and it has a wet texture????
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on January 13, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Yeah, let it drain and cool... Field capacity, like casing. I was just saying when you get the spawn/substrate mixed or layered, pack it down as you go. Incubate in the mid to high 70's because the substrate will create a bit of it's own heat while colonizing.
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Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on January 18, 2010, 03:08:41 PM
ok i went to nature pantry and got rye berries but it says its organic whole grain. And also got yellow pop corn kennels are these ok to try.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on January 18, 2010, 03:17:19 PM
Should be fine. I didn't know if you were going to mix them, but you might want to try them separately to get it down.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: fattrout on January 18, 2010, 03:21:58 PM
yeah, either one will work good. but remember popcorn and rye use two different TEKs...
popcorn needs to soak a lot longer..
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on January 18, 2010, 03:42:40 PM
okk cool thanks, and you all will be hearing from me really soon.... :ph34r:
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on January 18, 2010, 03:47:45 PM
and also how long should i soak the kernels  and do i due the same steps like grain. As far as 100g grain/105g water?????????
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on January 18, 2010, 03:52:14 PM
http://www.shroomery.org/9035/Popcorn-Tek-w-pics (http://www.shroomery.org/9035/Popcorn-Tek-w-pics)
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: fattrout on January 18, 2010, 04:55:14 PM
yep, dub504s got it. thats the same tek i started with. then i put a little tweak here and there... :mellow:
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on January 27, 2010, 11:30:06 PM
i got one more question you think when i pasteurize my straw/casting would it be OK to put it in my crock pot for two hours about 200 F? Just was checking on my research.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on January 28, 2010, 04:17:56 AM
200 is high for pasteurizing and is pretty close sterilization. You want to stay in that 160-170 range.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on January 28, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
Thanks alot man, you've been great help i will make sure i show you my magic, when they are finished...
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on January 29, 2010, 05:07:11 AM
I love bulk! Can't wait to see. :ph34r:
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on February 07, 2010, 02:20:59 AM
Ok so i pasturized my straw/casting not to long ago and i used a big 22 qt stock pot and kept the temp at a solid 180 in the bag for two hours... just wondering if this was ok?????
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on February 07, 2010, 01:38:10 PM
That's a little high, but you might be fine.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on February 07, 2010, 03:51:27 PM
If i go over 180 what  will happen????
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Davie K on February 10, 2010, 05:08:42 AM
if your over 180 you have a chance of sterilizing your substrate.. if you sterilize your substrate your leaving it open 2 bacteria. w. pasteurizing you leave alot of the defending enzymes that will help protect against bacteria outbreaks.  it wouldn't matter if you sterilize, mushrooms will grow but you have 2 be extremely carefull. and sterile... opposed 2 when i pasteurize i work/mix in my spawn in an open cellar w. out any problem of contamination (knock on wood)
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on February 10, 2010, 09:21:17 AM
Yep! I've heard people have problems when they sterilize straw.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: GGAllin on February 10, 2010, 11:45:47 AM
are there any good written recipes or video tutorials for bulk?
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on February 10, 2010, 02:42:38 PM
Yeah, thay all say what I said.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on February 10, 2010, 06:16:37 PM
well lets pray to the mushroom gods and hope i am sterile enough, which i am pretty sure i am. But still this will be my first bulk and things are looking very nice. It's been two full days since i spawned them and they are looking for nice. And also did my first g2g wasnt to hard haha. i am still a new guy but this is becoming a really great hobby for me and its just awesome to see everyones progression from step one. Life is truely great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ph34r:
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on February 11, 2010, 08:56:03 PM
Had a really quick and easy question when my bulk sub is fully colonized, and its time to top it with my casing materail. Should i let let my casing 50/50 peat and verm colonise to or should i just put it straight in the fc as soon as i put the casing materail and introduce it to my light cycle?
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: dub504 on February 12, 2010, 02:46:41 AM
Let the casing layer colonize till the myce just starts to pop through in the valleys. Then introduce to your FC.
Title: Re: Need a good Bulk Recipe???
Post by: Mr. NIce GuY on February 12, 2010, 09:57:10 AM
Ok i figured it was just the same as any casing, thanks man you have been alot of help....