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I inject through polyfill - no problems.
I suppose the thing to do is make up some dummy jars so that you can try it out without wasting spores or substrate.
I was woried that I had packed too much polyfill into the lids that I use, but it seems to work fine and there is no chance of the polyfill slipping.


But I can't see a problem with Anno's suggestion either.

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Yup, the PALAD site contains all the resources you will need to understand just where this piece of proposed legislation is flawed.

However, I'ts by no means a certainty that the growers will be able to "win thier case", far from it, I believe the laws of a member state can be upheld even when they are in opposition to EU laws in certain cases such as this one. The take home message being -
WE STILL NEED  TO APPLY EVERY POSSIBLE PRESSURE                                       TO STOP THIS PART OF BILL-17 BECOMING LAW

The proposed ban is against EU free trade laws, and I'm happy to inform you the Dutch growers have already launched legal proceedings in Europe, to ensure the UK govt. does not stop them from exporting their legal and safe food product to the UK.

p.s. Is that THE Dr Hemp of Totness fame?

As you may or may not be aware, proposed changes to the Misuse of Drugs Act in the UK may soon make fresh Magic Mushrooms a Class A drug. The penalties for possession will be up to 7 years imprisonment plus an unlimited fine, and for supply it?s up to life imprisonment and an unlimited fine.

The Magic Mushroom Consumers Group (MMCG) is dedicated to stopping the proposed change, in order to keep fresh magic mushrooms legal.

THE MMCG BELIEVES THAT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE! At the moment we are currently lobbying UK government and we have already uncovered serious flaws in the way that the government?s policy has been decided upon.
The proposed changes still have to go through several stages before they become law.

?WHY SHOULD I DO ANYTHING?? I hear you ask.
The short answer is because you can. Otherwise what will you think of yourself when the first family is broken up because someone is jailed for doing something that harms nobody. It might even be you and your family!  Don?t take it lying down.

?HOW CAN I DO SOMETHING?? ? Now, that?s more like it.
To make a difference we need to do more than just sign an on-line petition or rant about the insanity of it to each other.
There are many things that will make a difference at this stage.
Writing to your Member of Parliament
Writing to a newspaper
Get involved in spreading the word
Become part of MMCG (even anonymously) we appreciate all the help you can offer.

Visit our site to learn more about the situation and for helpful information and links that will allow you to do your bit -  
http://www.magicmushroomconsumers.org/

Or log in, introduce yourself and join the debate at -  
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Thanks

Excellent news Miles

The only caution I would add is to check that you have not boiled the substrates (BRF) dry. This should not have happened if there was still plenty of water in the PC at the end of the process.
Even so, I would still have expected some minor growth at the innoculation site. perhaps it was the spore syringes at fault?

The only way the PC could mess things up waould be if it didn't sterilise the substrate (obviously not the case due to no contam), or if the process dried the jars out - though this also seems unlikely.

Seems very odd that this happened to two syringes. Could yo see evidence of spores in the syringes?


When you say the jars didn't smell, have you actually opened one up fully to investigate yet?

From what you write it looks as if you are doing everything right.

the only variation from what I do is the length of pressure cooking, I seem to get by with 20 minutes @ 15 psi (timed from after the PC reaches temperature)

well, seeing as nothing is growing in your jars (not even contamination) it looks as if the sterilisation step has worked. If you had not sterilised the jars, then you would undoubtedly get all sorts of stuff growing (unless the water is being lost from the jars during pressure cooking perhaps?).

Some people insist that organinic brown rice flour is the only one to use as others sometimes have fungicides included - I'm not sure about that though.

also, the mixing and loading of jars is an art in itself, though this only effects speed of colonisation and yield, not wether or not anything grows.


(please don't take any offence from this last comment, but if you just wrote this first post so that you could wait for someone to ask who supplied the spores, then start dissing the vendor, don't bother replying)

Apart from that I'm stumped, Anyone else got any ideas

I've allways understood that the three things that give rise to pinning are:

light

temperature drop

increased air exchange

So, Though I've neve worked with mycobags, I would imagine that you probably have to get some more air in there.

The only people that I have seen using mycobags use them to produce grain spawn which the then put into trays and apply casing.

Anyone got anything to add?

P.S. what's in the bag anyway?

Indiashroomer,

I think you may be being a bit hasty when you differentiate between haluciogenic mushrooms and medicinal mushrooms. In my opinion there is quite some overlap between these two classifications.

Obviously Booknik may not be looking for the beneficial effects that psilocybe mushrooms can provide, but I'm sure that you would agree with the statement that the mushrooms we grow are "powerfull medicine"  

You might be able to find agar (sometimes called agar agar) in a health food shop or at a specialist oriental food shop.

You can clone on all sorts of substrates, I've even seen an account of it being done on a piece of corrugated cardboard. Agar is probably your best choice if you can get it.

I think indiashroomer has a point, after all, its east to spot contamination growing on agar, but it may not be so obvious in liquid culture. You could end up innoculating a lot of substrate with contaminated innoculum.

India shroomer has said it all really.

Pokie, are we to assume you have contamination problems?
thinking about burning mosquito coils!

it sounds like you are either just inquisitive/overcautious or you are really having a hard time with contamination.

Impressive efficiency India,

Like Anno says,
More substrate = more shrooms.

I dont neccesarily mean bigger cakes, just more of them.  
If you do more cakes you can start experimenting and tweaking your formulas and teks slightly. Perhaps you might do something wrong on some of them, but hey, its the best way to learn.

I've read about it on other sites, especialy "thenook.org", though I seem to have no problems with dunking, a much lower tech approach.

You can do it either way, I've never tried "in vitro pinning", I just birth mine when they are fully colonised. (don't forget to check the colonisation at the bottom of the jar though).

You probably have more than one cake, why not try it both ways and see what suits you best.

Regarding the light, it's one of the things that initiates pinning (along with an increase in air exchange and a drop in temperature) so unless you are planning to have them pin inside the jars, I would keep them in the dark until you birth them.

I've only just stumbled upon this forum today, your cakes are hopefully shrooms by now anyway, why not post to let us know what you chose to do and how you got on.