Messages

nahh bro no casing, cubes dont benifit from a casing layer. Its an unnecessary step.

Ya I was planning on going bulk with the mad bag , but was wondering a good recipe for substrate? I just used coir n vermiculite and I'm having decent success. Will this work for a sub if I spawn my bag in it? Thanks for the input MoGrow !!

Yea i use 1 brick of coir 2qts verm and 2 cups of gypsum, i pasteurize using the bucket tek. cant use it for poo you have to use proper pasteurization for poo but coir you can get away with a bucket tek.

growing  amono then doing an inviro bag is a step backwards IMO, id spawn it to bulk.

after first flush harvest i put my tub in the shower and fill it to my fae holes at substrate lvl then i let water flow lightly over the top of the sub for about 3 hours then i drain it fan it lid it and wait.

I use a brf pftek jar to test my living cultures, i use GLC tho not LC's same testing tho.

I am misting them about 3/4 times a day and my RH is 75-99% but they are looking dry. My other cakes have come out of their casing jars looking much much healthier then these.   I'm taking the lid off twice a day and flushing the air.....   I should start to see pinning within 7-10 days?  This is the part that I always fail at.   I always get nice jars that colonize well but when I place them in the F.C. they just fall to shit.....

1st you need get that off the floor you need to let air come in through the holes in the bottom if not your perlite cant function properly.

you need to fan more often i fan mine 4+ times a day and i still see slight signs of aerial mycelium.
Evaporation off your substrate is a major pinning trigger.

P.S. 90% off all household contaminate spores are within 12" of the floor.

1)What are the temp ranges and humidity levels do you keep your F.C. at when fruiting?  (I've read about 4 conflicting theories on this)

Room Temp here its between 65 - 75F, and im not sure about my RH, I used a hydrometer for the first grow but there fairly unreliable, if your SGFC is built to spec and your ambient RH is ~30+ your chaimber will stay at 90+ np, given you have 5-6" of damp perlite and your 6-12" off the wall.

2)Can I directly mist the cakes or should I just spray the walls and let it drip down?

I mist my cakes directly, tho i do it from about 6-12" above and outside the SGFC and i spray vertically so the water mists down on the cakes i dont spray at them, when im done misting my cakes and shroomies are glistening, then you need to fan for a min to fast track the evap process.

3)I have a closet I can put these in....should I buy a humidifier and keep the ambient R.H. at 99?? ( I have the cakes on a layer of perlite and It seems to stay in the >85% range)

Kind of answered in the first question but i wouldnt put them in a closet SGFC's are designed to work off the natural air currents in the room there in, theres not much air flow in a closet.

4)How important is Air exchange and CO2 levels to get the cakes to pin? What should I do to encourage pinning?

SGFC's require alot of this and its fairly important youll need to fan 5-6x a day and mist 3-4x


GL and keep us posted.

Hey guys ! thanks for your tips
Couldn't wait for your answers, so harvested few hours later !
prints went perfect ! YEAH sending back to fsre since they're cool people doin good work !
and good good good taste  yaya but didn't take a lot to try out, 3 big stems. A grower friend told me he takes about 3g... What do you think ?
They felt lot less potent than the ones I used to take in parties, which I don't have infos on growing conditions.
Last question and I go : no suggestions on the mushies growing in the perlite ?

Love

om om om om

Gratz on the grow man, yea 3gms is an avg good dose, domesticated shrooms are a little different than wild, when we grow domesticated shrooms we get a variatable crapshoot of genetic traits, some times we get potent genetics some times we dont, sometimes we get good size some times there puny, the only way to over come this is by isolating down to a monoculture on agar, cloning will get you pretty close to consistent results but a monoculture will be exactly the same every time.

As far as the perlite you want your cakes on foil because the mycelium wastes energy trying to colonize it. some people say it will water log your cakes (I dont believe this) i have some cakes in a SGFC ill post pics later that are double cased and i keep the verm saturated.

thanks guys! I suppose I will leave the temp. alone and might flip jars if it seems to really stall. I had a feeling it was going well, but that I was just getting a little impatient.

After having this discussion ive decided im always gonna flip my jars at 80ish% since i just use jars to test isos now i can afford to play with em. Ill post some pis in a bit.

ohh yea there all ready to hit some foil for printing, all but the 2 in the middle the rest are perfect, like head said, cut the stipe as close to the gills as you can and lay em on foil, make sure there covered with a dish or a bowl or something to keep contams from blowing in, i use a plastic sterilite shoebox to take prints in and it works great.

MoGrow made a good point with #3. If you are using BRF, you dont want to move that shit around too much. That verm layer is a barrier against contam. In 8 weeks if there is for sure a stall, you could inject 1cc of distilled/ sterilized H2O, or turn the jar upside down. I have done the upside down trick, but not the extra H2O. Usually when a cake does a complete stall for me, I transfer to grains.

I flipped 2 cakes last week and they took off... 100% in no time. im a firm believer in flipping jars. just make sure once you do it you leave it alone. have it sitting somewhere you can see the bottom of the jar without picking it up. I feel 9theres no increased chance of contam with this method as the first 80-90% of the jar is already colonized and a spore isnt going to get to the uncolonized part to germinate, better safe than sorry.

GL and keep us posted. 

pics pics pics.

1. Am I keeping it too warm?
2. Did I possibly not inject enough spores?
3. Does checking on them daily really make that much of a difference?o

1. i think so . tho others will argue this point i let mine colonize at room temp. so long as its over 65F
2. This will never be the case less you use 0 spores.
3. No, you just dont wanna shft the verm layer on top its your barrier against contams. IME checking jars dosent affect there actually growth just increases your chance for contams,


Pics are helpful, but from what i read just be patient. they can take 3 weeks to start showing growth and can take up to 2 month to fully colonize . while these are at the long end of the time frames its still possible to take this long.

what type of FC is it. and what are your ambient temps (room temp) IME hydrometers do a pretty shit job of monitoring RH in a constantly sprayed environment, that being said i havent tried using a repti hydrometer, i use cigar hydrometers. but still mine read between 92-98% i just dont trust it.

I was wrong apparantly you can inoc a cake with a print and no syringe but you need to do it in a SAB and you cant use a dry verm layer .. you make the cake as per pftek - verm layer , sterlilize as usual, you lid should have a single 1/4" hole in the center of the lid covered with tyvek, SFD, Craft Felt, or stuffed wit h polyfil, which ever filter method you choose.
after sterlization place in your SAB with print and innoc loop then iopen your jar scrape a small section of the print in the jar on top of the BRF mix close lid and wait.

misting to heavily can cause bruising and i know that when i dunk my cakes for the second flush they go blue, but not on the first flush dunk so im not sure if too much water its self causes the bruising when misting too heavily or if its the force large droplets hit the cake with.

What type of FC is it ? I still grow cakes, Granted there for testing agar isos but i still use em. how are you measuring your RH? are the teps you report with or without the heater and if there with what would the teps be with out ?

Update i harvested on the 27th (my birthday) here are the pics from it.

...
1/27/13 (Happy Birthday to me)



...

1277gms wet.

.. .. ..

...
The Guardian



P.S. Do these pics expand for you guys? or do i need to link them from somewhere else ?

PM me with an addy ill send you a B+ Print.

as long as your holes are good and the perlite lvl is ok you should be fine no matter what size you use.

as for not dunking, Im not sure i always dunk my cakes, tho i have gotten .5oz dried off 8 cakes invitro so im sure theres enough water for a flush of some sort.

there we go finally after a shit ton of editing. Ill bump this later tonight round 6pm EST when i get home and post new pics.

1/23/13



...



...
1/24/13
...



...



...
This jar is a test jar i made with GLC from the jars i spawned to the mono.
...



...
1/25/13



...



...

The other end


...

So i had 6 test jars colonizing with GLC and i kinda sorta forgot about them for a couple days, went to birth them tonight and there were a couple pis in them, here are the pics of that.



...



...

In this picture you can see the shrooms i picked off the cake in the pics from the 25th perched on top.



More to come on the mono tomorrow.