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Question: Can you use white rice flower if you have no more organic brown rice.
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Title: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: iloveshannon on October 27, 2009, 11:35:25 AM
Hey guys first post and just innoculated my first "cups" (i say this because i used small glass cups with tin foil lol) yesterday.


Does anyone have any idea when i should start seeing the mycelia? And i used all of my organic brown rice can i use white rice if its needed. also, i seriously used like a little over half a cup of brown rice, very little to what ive seen. because i didnt want to mess up and waste the little amount i had left. will this small patty not produce many fruits?
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: k12357 on October 27, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
are you using brown rice or brown rice flour?   if your folowing the PF tek you should be using brown rice flour.  ive never used just brown rice before.   malabar could probably tell you more on just using rice i believe he uses it.  as for white rice no dont use it. 
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: k12357 on October 27, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
could take 2 weeks or so to see growth.  hard to tell the yield without more info, fruiting chamber, casing or not, how many cups you have, etc.
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 27, 2009, 02:12:26 PM
Lover,
  I hear you speaking in terms of conserving resources, as reasoning for using small glass cups.  However, if you are knocking up less than 8oz, I really feel you are wasting time and resources.
  8ozs of substrate is only 1/2 pt, which will work, but provide such a small yield, I would only direct you to use a few of them to use for casings or spawn to a bulk grow.  And, even then you would like to consider using more than one per casing, and at least 4 - 6 for a small bulk container.
  K12357 told you right, as you won't likely see any signs for up to and perhaps more than 2 weeks. 

  White Rice, is Not an option.   Any and all nutrients you would like to provide in the grow have been bleached, and processed out f the grain before point of sale.  This is another reason, white rice isn't even healthy to eat!
  Brown Rice is extremely cheap, plentiful, easy to get, and work with.  Get the right stuff, and do it right, and you won't have any regrets.   And as you were told earlier, if you are following the PF tek, you need to follow the guidelines that are tried and proven to work.
  You have a fabulous network of growers and information here novice and veteran that are more than willing to help you along, if you help them by helping yourself.
  I hope some of this is helpful.  GL
     ~Malabar   :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: iloveshannon on October 28, 2009, 11:42:36 AM
ok thank you for clearing that up for me. is there anything you have to do during incubation? like misting? and yes im only using brown rice will that not work or make it spread slower or what?
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: cugak on October 28, 2009, 12:07:55 PM
During incubation u have to wait and relax. You must mix your brf with some vermiculate for substrate!
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 28, 2009, 12:31:56 PM
Cugak,
  The Lovers confusion is becoming contagious.  I do believe he is just working with grains, but has been reading too many links and teks.
  So since he is just entering the the colonization stage, all he will need to do is prepare to case or not case when e heads the FC.
  Unless he lost me in the mix as well,.....     :huh:
   ~Malabar   :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 28, 2009, 06:12:28 PM
If he is doing cakes and using the PF TEK for simple minds and has read any of the threads here, he shoulde be ok.  I mean I got a bit confused at first but with reading and asking the right questions with not too many different answers it will help alot.  I mean sometimes people have different ways and tweak the tek  once they have found their way.  Love, take your time and be patient and make sure you understand any answers that are given you so you get it right.  You may fail in your first attempts, I did, maybe others did too, but you pick it back up and get back in the game!  You'll do fine.  GL
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 28, 2009, 06:42:59 PM
Thanks Shroomzer, for clearing out the ground clutter I may have left.  You have such a wonderful way showing us all which direction the way out of the maze,.....
  My Heroine,......    :rolleyes:
    ~Malabar   :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 29, 2009, 06:26:16 AM
Aww Malabar .. **blush** .. but it wasn't you, I read this thread with tired eyes and if I were a newbie I may have had some confusions.  With all my failed attempts in my beginning just re-reading things over and over helped me more.  Asking questions in the forum is always good, but in being a first timer, easier less complex answers are the best IMO.   
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 06:32:24 AM
And once again, you are so correct! 
  Shroomzer,....  You're the Greatest! 
        :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: iloveshannon on October 29, 2009, 10:47:49 AM
Can anyone tell me the difference from me using only organic brown rice? i boiled them in my boiler for a little over an hour on high. has this method been used by anyone?
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
Lover,
  Just because I am "old", and a little "Stuck on Stupid" at times, .....  Please clear this up for me,....     :huh:
  Are you "grinding" the brown rice, to make BRF ( brn. rice flour )?   Or have you been using the whole grains?
  I just wanted to clear that up, so we can give you the right info and direction to turn.
  As for the "organic" vs. "natural",....  Pricing mostly ,.....  But supposedly the manner in which it is gown, harvested, and prepared for market.  Organic will cost you more, so I buy the cheapest out there,...  from Walmart, BJs, Costco, Winn Dixie, Acme,....  As long as it's brn rice, it's mine!
  >>>>  Boiled your rice?  If they are whole grains, you need to be using a PC @ 15psi for a minimum of 45 minutes, to sterilize them. 
     ~Malabar   :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: iloveshannon on October 29, 2009, 11:21:15 AM
so if i grind them up i can use a boiler? will a blender grind them? and also your saying regular brown rice thats not organic will work? because that would be great organic comes in such small bags. im on house arrest so i have to get my gf get it for me, and she made me have this stupid name lol..

and so basically if i used whole rice not grinded and it is organic and innoculated it, it will not work for sure or is there still a chance. im using the mazatapec strain because i thought it looked really nice out of all.
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 11:45:57 AM
Lover,
  Now a little off the smoke begins to clear for me,......  You truly have been incorporating different teks to achieve the ultimate goal.
  Up to now, I am understanding you have been using, Whole Grains.   Proven teks and experience, have dictated a Pressure Cooker be used to sterilize the grains prior to inoculation.  If you are seeing healthy growth w/o contaminations,..... feel Blessed!   But, you aren't out of the woods yet.  There is plenty of time for all to go south.
  As long as you are using Brown Rice, organic or otherwise, you should be fine.  But, you do need to PC the grains!
 
  >>  If you start grinding the grains, and start working with BRF, I will stand back and suggest you query Shroomzer more intensely.  She is the "PF Tek" Queen , and in combination with your research and her assistance you should be able to achieve a healthy and bountiful grow.

  ***Just a suggestion, away from the grow,......  If you are on "lockdown", I would be a little nicer about that name your girlfriend chose for you. 
  She seems to be doing a lot to help you out, and I don't think you would want to piss her off.  That may not go well for you, At All !   I think you just might violate your terms if the "powers that be" knew you were even thinking about the grow.

  Can you spell Conspiracy?
not my business,...  just a suggestion.
   ~Malabar    :mellow:
 
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: cugak on October 29, 2009, 12:04:28 PM
Fucking police, biatch!
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 12:10:53 PM
Come on Cugak,....
  Let's play nice!     :rolleyes:  The Lover is already dealing with a handicap>>  an ankle monitor and posted bail!    :huh:
  ~Malabar     :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: cugak on October 29, 2009, 12:22:43 PM
Ej malabar tell me something! I was just picking my first flush from cased trays, and i had to patch whole surface! Now, would u cover them for a few days, or i put them directly back in the fc? Thanks!
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 12:28:55 PM
Cugak,
  Business as usual,......   Mist them well, and pop them back in the FC w/o covering.   I don't think I have ever heard of moving "back to incubation".
  They are in between flushes, so you don't want to promote vegetative growth, you want that micro climate to keep breathing into the next flush.
    ~Malabar    :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: cugak on October 29, 2009, 12:38:10 PM
Ja ja, i thought that becouse i patch whole surface! Well, thanks and peace out man!
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 12:46:34 PM
  Cool enough, Cugak.   Keep your conditions stable and you'll probably see that next flush in about a week.
   ~Malabar   :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 29, 2009, 04:39:49 PM
Aye aye aye, the dude is confused.  ON LOCKDOWN holy crap batman!!!!
Dude, if your doing BRF CAKES go to the local health food/organic store ie. wholefoods, etc.  Buy a bag of BROWN RICE FLOUR.  Combine (the tek gives you the proper amounts) with vermiculite, PC in jars for an hour at 15lbs. I usually just take the PC off of the stove top and let the jars cool in the PC overnight.  They are then room temp. and you can remove and move on to prepare to innoculate.  The tek says it all, doing it all right is the key.  Make sure you are in a clean environment.  Use 99% alcohol, lysol etc.  I have become accustom to useing a hepa filter, to do work in front of keeping my work area clean and sterile.  (this was a clue from a good friend).  Like I said read the PF TEK. I hate writing TEKS so just read it.  Read it -  Read it. And really ask CLEAR questions so that others can give you the correct answers or advice.  That has been my expierence.  I am simple grower since my 'homies' are herbal users, where as I prefer the love of shrooms, so I don't do any 'large' grows.   Well I did once, and still have them stored for all the rainy days ahead~!!
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 05:09:41 PM
Excellent Shroomzer!   Everytime I thought I had deciphered the code it appeared we were at the beginning of the maze again,....   :huh:
  Thank you,...   Once again,  Large and In Charge!     
     ~Malabar    :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 29, 2009, 05:22:01 PM
HaHa Malabar!!  I was confused too for a about 5 minutes.  Although he keeps stating he is using brown rice, I wasn't sure if he was grinding his own rice into flour or just using it as straight grain and that would be out of my league. I prefer to buy the BRF, cause I am 'the simple mind' haha ;), and at times a bit lazy!!  ^_^  But I get the job done and get what I need out of it with very little loss anymore.
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 05:43:29 PM
It's all good Shroomzer,
  I just have so much going on right now, I'm almost running on empty, and I know if he's using BRF, you are the Boss with the cakes!
  I hope you can get him straight,..........  of course it would help if he researched One tek and stayed the course.
  I'm sure if he strays, you can get him back on track. 
   ~Malabar   :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: iloveshannon on October 29, 2009, 05:54:51 PM
ok so ive decided to allow the plain brown rice to colonize and what happens happens. but ive decided to buy a substrate online, preferably at ralphsters, is there any substrates sold for the pf tek or no? is a pressure cooker still needed? ive been looking at shredded straw.
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 29, 2009, 06:10:48 PM
So your using the brown rice and reading the grain tek? You can get jars with substrate, but they are not reliable.  With shipping and handling they are highly subseptable(sp) to contams and I don't recommend that.  Read the TEKS  - make your own, you'll have way better results. IMO.  And Yes a pressure cooker is indeed needed.  I thought you were doing BRF cakes using the PF TEK ... so this is out of my league .... Malabar, Fattrout or others that use grain methods can answer those type questions better, well if they can decipher what it is you are looking for.  Ask CLEAR cut questions and you may get the correct answers and opinions.

Malabar - we are at the beginning of the maze again ......
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 06:19:30 PM
Shroomzer,
  Are you felling me Now!?!???     :huh:
I thought I was pretty good with all of the codes I decipher with the grandkids,....     ^_^   And, for a while I thought perhaps it's an "old" thing,... or perhaps being tired,....... But, now I'm feeling a little better with the idea that I was "close" to understanding what was happening here,....  I think.  lol
  So, if Lover is using grains, I think reading the grain teks and what we have given him should put him on the high road.
  **And, by all means,.....that Pressure Cooker is a Must!   
  ~Malabar   :mellow:
   
    >>  Hold my hand and run with me Shroomzer,...  I'll get us out of here!  LOL      -_-
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 29, 2009, 06:24:18 PM
Malabar .. and I thought I was pretty good at the deciphering  .. looks like I am the one a slippin' here.. LOL~!  I got confused when he mentioned he was going to 'grind the brown rice' .. aye aye aye ... I was thinking he was going for the 'BRF' - his questions are not 'clear cut'.  My bad.... ;)  At least we do agree the Pressure Cooker is a Must!!
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: dub504 on October 29, 2009, 06:24:54 PM
That is a waste of money! When you use whole grains you have to use a pressure cooker. When the pressure is raised so too is the boiling point of the water. So, you get a higher temperature and proper sterilization of the grains.

Whole grains or PF Tek, it doesn't matter. You can use either to spawn to a bulk substrate. If you go the straw route or some other bulk sub you will have to pasteurize it. After it is drained and cooled you can layer or mix in your spawn. You can buy straw at a local crafts store or feed store for cheaper than an online vendor.

That being said, the PF Tek is a method that is supposed to be easy. Once the cakes are colonized you can basically fruit them as is. It's a good place to start. If you learn how to case them that's the extra step you can use w/ grains or other teks.

You really just need to read a bit more. I suggest www.shroomery.org (http://www.shroomery.org)
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: fattrout on October 29, 2009, 06:25:36 PM
hey love, check out this video..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3286686859329905674#
it's a wealth of info... its 1 hour long but its wroth the time, and it looks like you have the time...lol  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: iloveshannon on October 29, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
ok, so as for the brown rice method, all steps are the same except you need a pressure cooker if its still whole rice? and there is no substrates for the pf tek online? and what is the tek called when you let them grow in a metal container, if i buy a substrate and its clean does that make it any better?
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
  You see Shroomzer,....
    It's like Tag-Team Wrestling!  lol
        :ph34r:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: dub504 on October 29, 2009, 06:30:03 PM
That is called casing. The substrates they sell are not any better than making your own! You will still have to pasteurize any substrate that you buy, like straw. The thing is you don't need straw to do this. You need to learn the basics first. You could case whole grains or break up PF cakes, case them and still get fine fruits.
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: fattrout on October 29, 2009, 06:36:57 PM
what the FUCK... :huh:    :huh:      :huh: :huh:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
Fattrout,
  You are in Deep woods now!  Shroomzer and I just escaped!  I hope you brought a flashlight,...  lol
  ~Malabar   :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 29, 2009, 06:41:55 PM
LOL yeah Malabar tag team .. ;)

uh Loverdude ... READ THE TEK.  MAKE YOUR OWN SUBSTRATE IT AIN'T THAT HARD, LOOK AT THE VIDEO TROUT PUT UP .. DUDE DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID TO YOU ABOUT BUYING A SUBSTRATE?  NOT GOOD, N O T - G O O D.  (and I thought I was dense at times)  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: dub504 on October 29, 2009, 06:49:59 PM
Note to self. "Play nice dub" :angry: Gotta bite my tongue.
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: malabar on October 29, 2009, 06:52:33 PM
Shroomzer,
  Be safe my friend.  Back away from the Thread,.....     It's Dark, and Dangerous! 
I think I will stay away myself.  I'm starting to feel a bit "retarded",... lol
   ~Malabar   :mellow:
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 29, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
Malabar .. I'm done, so done .. but I was just gonna pop a bowl of popcorn and sit back and see what else 'spawned' from lovaboy haha...

DUB - LMAO!!!

Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: iloveshannon on October 29, 2009, 08:54:32 PM
ok i watched the thread, im going to switch to the rye grain method and order vermiculite online. that video cleared alot up.
LSD is dry now so i just wanna grow shrooms, ive only done them like 6 times, but LSD ive done so much i dont even know. psychonaut for life lol.
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 30, 2009, 05:52:24 AM
**whew** good job and good luck!!
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: dub504 on October 30, 2009, 11:11:06 AM
You know, There are a lot of whole grains that will work well as a substitute for Rye. Millet is another grain that colonizes really quick. Wild Bird Seed or Finch seed works really well. Pop Corn or Cracked Corn is another.
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: iloveshannon on October 30, 2009, 06:07:04 PM
ive also had a friend lend me a pressure cooker, although it has no manual lol.. im guessing its a "jiggle top" because it has a red thing that looks like it could go up if you twist it. the only thing is i cant find the manual because i cant figure out the model, ive seen tons of model types but never the one i have. its a wolfgang bistro collection 6.0L 02.00 model. how do you tell it is at 15 psi on the guides ive read online theres a gage of somesort, is this seperate and was not given to me by accident by my friend? or is it a simple top and bottom? this site is amazing how it can answer questions, and sorry if im a bit repetative.

but you have no idea the joy i would get from being able to grow my own pysychedelics while making it a hobby as well. i crave to change my conciousness every week or so some times less to have a more philosophical view of the world.
Title: Re: Question on ph tek brown rice cakes.
Post by: shroomzer on October 30, 2009, 08:11:52 PM
http://www.hsn.com/cnt/search/searchresults/default.aspx?Ntt=pressure+cooker&N=0&Ntk=Std&st=1&criteria=&days=&minprice=&maxprice=&srchCatNm=&o=esearch

Check out this link if you can .. I googled your 'wolfgang' pressure cooker ... not sure if i see the one you are talking about.  Maybe you can locate it from that site.
And yes I do know the joy of being able to grow my own psylicibin shrooms and loving the fact that it is a very fun hobby that I thought would be way too complicated for me.  If I can do it anyone can, and the rewards are great~!  :mellow: