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Title: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 14, 2009, 08:39:08 PM
I am growing a very small and potent type of psylocibin mushroom (Panaeolus Cyanescens) in brown rice cakes... The mycelium has been trying to colonize my jars for 60 days and it's not quite there yet... wondering if there's any way I can help them out...
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on December 14, 2009, 08:51:29 PM
Grains would be better to start pans out on. Then you prob need to spawn to straw, case then fruit.
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 14, 2009, 09:46:31 PM
Thank you dub 504, would you mind elaborating? "spawn to straw, case then fruit."
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on December 15, 2009, 04:50:38 AM
Pans are just a little more involved. Check this out. http://www.shroomery.org/34/Panaeolus-Cyanescens (http://www.shroomery.org/34/Panaeolus-Cyanescens)
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 15, 2009, 07:23:48 AM
Thanks so much dub, will definitely try that next time...
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 15, 2009, 09:49:04 PM
Now, question - if it's been 60 days and some jars are only halfway colonized, should I think that in 60 more days the entire jar will be colonized or is the pan's mycelium simply too fragile or too thin to fully colonize a vermiculite and brown rice jar?  Is there anything I can do now to help the mycelium grow?  I already have it at about 84 degrees Farenheit.  Why must the entire jar be colonized before mushroom fruit can grow?
thanks again...
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on December 16, 2009, 10:26:52 AM
You might be better off colonizing at 80 deg. The myc creates heat when colonizing. If you don't fully colonize, something else will get a chance to eat that uncolonized food source and fuck things up for you. You might have trouble even getting fruits from those cakes. Pans do need a casing to fruit.
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 16, 2009, 03:36:52 PM
Should I perhaps be casing now?  Could I send you some pictures...?
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on December 16, 2009, 03:38:43 PM
Case after fully colonized. Can you post pics here?
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 17, 2009, 08:57:54 PM
I'm having trouble uploading... "cannot access attachments upload path"
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on December 18, 2009, 11:51:43 AM
You have to copy in the IMG code from photobucket or imageshack etc.. You can't upload to this site.
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 18, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
Here are some examples of the most and least colonized jars I have after 60 days...

(http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae290/lointain/pans/Pan2.jpg)

(http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae290/lointain/pans/Pan1.jpg)

The most colonized jars have a light blue coloration where the mycelium is thickest... any ideas?

Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on December 18, 2009, 02:13:05 PM
Perhaps the substrate has lost a bit of moisture after 60 days.
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: malabar on December 18, 2009, 03:26:38 PM
  Andres,
  They have definitely lost too much moisture,......  thus the bluing as well as the lack of progression in colonization.
   You might try injecting a cc or two of sterile distilled water into the substrate with hopes of revitalizing the growth.
   ~Malabar    :mellow:
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 18, 2009, 07:54:44 PM
Thank you dub and malabar, I will try injecting distilled water to the substrate and see what happens...

Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 22, 2009, 10:21:56 PM
Malabar - some of my jars seem to be reaching full colonization, but what does the presence of bluingm mean?
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 22, 2009, 10:37:47 PM
Would casing them with perlite be fine?  or would you suggest something else?
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: malabar on December 22, 2009, 10:38:02 PM
andres,
  Sorry,.... My bad.  The "bluingm" was a typo that escaped detection of the spelling checker, and these old eyes ,.......  ( stick around for a few more years, and you'll get a pair! )  lol   ^_^
    VERMICULITE / PEAT , very basic,... very easy.
   Malabar   :mellow:
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on December 23, 2009, 06:59:53 AM
Don't case with perlite. verm/peat moss 50/50
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 25, 2009, 07:58:08 PM
So what is the bluing on the mycelium?  is it dead or damaged mycelium mass??
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: malabar on December 26, 2009, 12:26:15 AM
andres,
  The bluing on mycelium is a general indicator of either bruising, or lack of moisture.
  You said you were thinking of injecting some sterile H2O into the mass,....  So the results were??
   ~Malabar    :mellow:
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 26, 2009, 10:16:30 AM
I did inject the jars with distilled water and the growth sped up considerably.  The bluing is still there, but it's a lighter blue... I'd say all jars are fully colonized now, maybe five out of six... I'm going to wait one more week and then case them... should I submerge them completely in water for an entire day before casing them?

Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: malabar on December 26, 2009, 10:34:39 AM
andres,
  Excellent news!    ^_^   Unless you were going to fruit them as cakes, or in the jars, I would have thought you would be spawning to a larger media.
  If you are going to case, I would suggest you crumble, and case.  Then mist them well, and incubate in the dark for a few days before attempting to fruit.
  GL
   ~Malabar    :mellow:
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on December 26, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
I'm a first timer and so more than open to suggestions.  In fact I'd love some advice.  It sounds like you would fruit them as cakes or in the jars, whereas I thought casing was necessary with pans... Considering the first stage (colonization) has been rather problematic, what would you suggest is the safest way to fruit?
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on December 27, 2009, 11:16:12 AM
I think you should case them. I'm pretty certain pans need to be cased in order to fruit.
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: psilocybin warrior on December 29, 2009, 08:01:22 PM
Do what dub said.

PW
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on January 22, 2010, 12:06:27 PM
I failed miserably - no fruiting at all.  There's several things I may have done wrong... anybody know of a good simple idiot-proof tek for pans?
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on January 22, 2010, 04:14:19 PM
Next time start from grains then spawn to straw/castings, or straw/manure. Case that and you are on your way.
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: dub504 on January 22, 2010, 06:58:07 PM
andres, maybe this would work better on a smaller scale for you.  I'm sure you could substitute a different grain. http://forums.mycotopia.net/exotic-magic-mushroom-species-dung-lovers-pan-cyans/28675-panaeolus-tropicalis-panaeolus-cambodginiensis.html (http://forums.mycotopia.net/exotic-magic-mushroom-species-dung-lovers-pan-cyans/28675-panaeolus-tropicalis-panaeolus-cambodginiensis.html)
Title: Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens
Post by: andres on February 01, 2010, 02:40:26 PM
thanks so much for your advice dub, I hope to be posting some pics soon.